Talking about roids once and for all so you can stop asking.
The expression, “elephant in the room,” is defined as an obvious truth that is being ignored or goes unaddressed. I hate these kinds of elephants, and it’s the job of a good journalist to slay these elephants.
In the bodybuilding
industry, the elephant is steroids. The industry avoids talking about it, but fans and bodybuilders at all levels have no problem asking about it.
The most common fan question that comes in is something like:
“Hey Kev, why don’t the pros talk about the best way to take roids? It would be great if you step up and talk openly about it, we just want to know the truth, that’s all.”
I hate elephants, so I’m going to use this opportunity to slay the steroid elephant once and for all – as it pertains to me anyway.
This officially represents the LIMIT I’m willing to go when it comes to talking steroids. Once you read this, PLEASE, never litter my inbox again with questions about steroids. This is as far as I go.
First, a few words in defense of the industry (which I respect) and its many ambassadors, by way of an analogy to the music industry.
As we all know, rock and rap musicians like their drugs. Rolling Stone magazine isn’t stupid enough to pretend otherwise. They’d probably even admit that drug abuse, sadly, plays an integral roll. However, Rolling Stone is under no obligation to tell its readers how to take drugs. And neither are the rock stars or concert promoters. Aside from being dangerous and illegal information, it would be pointless.
Drugs without hard work and talent amount to nothing. Drug abuse is not an
exact science – it’s risky, and everyone reacts differently. Taking drugs won’t earn you a gold record or an IFBB pro card, unless you’re already a remarkable specimen with an insane work ethic and tremendous luck.
I know the rock & roll analogy isn’t perfect. Which is why I’m going to toss you a few bones…er, a few facts, rather, not unlike the rap sheet of street drugs your teachers covered in high school health class. It’s neither an endorsement, nor a menu for what I personally did, and it’s all I’ll ever say on the subject. Here goes…
Bodybuilders who take roids generally do it in two cycles: bulking phase in the months leading up to a show, and cutting phase, which can be the last six weeks before a show.
Some drugs are injected, which can cause abscesses or embolisms; and some are swallowed, which can cause profound liver damage if taken in the wrong doses, or for too long. Most advanced users will combine the two approaches at once.
Bodybuilders who use drugs under the guidance of a DOCTOR are at a huge advantage in terms of long-term health. The physician can be a close friend or family member willing to bend the rules as the lesser of
two evils: they can’t stop the user from using, but at least they can stop him from dying.
A bulking cycle can involve the abuse of Anadrol, Deca and some form of testosterone…perhaps a mixed testosterone, like Sustanine 250.
A
cutting cycle can include the abuse of Anavar, Winstrol V, i.e., elements that can work with very low calories and don’t cause you to retain water.
Clembuterol/aspirin is something that is abused during the cutting phase, as it can thin the skin and boost the heart rate. Today, legal fat burners can be found at the MD supplement store that are safer and work fine.
Human growth hormone builds mass but causes water retention that tortoise-shaped distended-stomach look that has Michelangelo rolling in his grave.
Nolvadex is an estrogen blocker taken concurrently with the bulking and cutting cycles, to help reduce side-effects and increase the effects of steroids.
Demadex is a fast-acting diuretic that works quickly, even when abused the night before a show – a nice product if you live to tell about it. This bodybuilder cheated death a few times. You might not be so lucky.
If the above list slay the elephant by way of stating facts. Bottom line:
yes, some bodybuilders use steroids. (Duh.)
I used steroids in moderation, and one of the main reasons I lost up to 30 lbs in the off season is because I had no interest in putting any more of that swill into my body than necessary to win shows. I would take truckloads of liver pills, drink oceans of water and pray for my life.
Today I use Life Force MD Bio Identical Hormone Replacement a safe, legal route to maximizing my gains. I can get shockingly close to emulating the effects of anabolic steroids, without the risks or illegalities.
When it comes to getting huge and ripped, steroids should be on the bottom of your checklist, or not on it at all. There’s tons of stuff to consider first. Training, nutrition, water, rest, supplements, and the controlled insanity
of needing to be the best – a mental state that I explore deeply.
Mentally, you may have more in common with an IFBB Hall of Fame legend than you thought.
Guys,
I Have The Best Overall Record In Body Building History To Date, IFBB Hall Of Famer, CEO Of Levrone Formula Inc., Founding Member Of Life Force MD, Editor-in-Chief of Levrone Report, 100% Health and Mostly Very Proud Dad. Success Is In You Not A Bottle Or Pill You Take.
Peace,
Kevin
I am no expert by any means on this topic, but it seems to me that the most dangerous drug guys are using these days is insulin.
I miss the naiveness I had as a grade school kid who would read Muscle Builder magazine looking at pictures of guys like Arnold, Mentzer, Zane, Robinson etc. believing I could someday look like them if I did their workouts & downed enough of Weider’s weight gain powder.
Thanks for the info, Kevin. In fact, it is very important and valuable. It is very serious stuff. Btw, to the cutting cycle can be added and Parabolan (Trenbolone), a powerful and professional.
Of course, drugs are can not do all the work, but for the professional bodybuilding, they are very important, invisible helpers.
But in general in bodybuilding today are just as important are the values that propagate Joe Weider in the beginning, and then, this desire, the real strength of mind and body, dedication, inspiration, etc, without this no one not will champion, whether it is genetically endowed even three times.
An interesting article, however as you said everybody knows about that bodybuilders use roids. There is some other substance that bodubuilders world denies that they using it in most cases, only some guys like Nasser admits to used it. I’m talking about Synthol. It’s a common opinion that all pro bodybuilders use it in moderate dosages, and used proper way it does its job hell good. But it could be only internet myths. Would be great if you could comment it.
Peace
Polish_fan
Andrei, you are always too damn nice man. Its the culture in your country. Follow or drop dead?
Which info?. This is page 1 in every steroid book/article. Kevins offtime beetween shows i guess was the only info, but i think it didnt surprise anybody.
The worst elephant hunt in the history. Well well, its ok man. Its not your job scratch our backs. Our curious backs. And i guess there is an important reason why the IFBB hall of fame guys do not let everbody inside.
Anyway, Kevin had maybe the best body in his time and one of the best records also and he is a great spokesman for bodybuilding and good moral so i think i will not ask for more.
Personal emails, no man. If its not ment for TLR in public I really dont care for it.
peace, Norwegian out
Nothing wrong wit being nice norway unless u are the type that likes pickin physical fights everywhere u go. U dont strike me as being that type at all. In real life u seem to be a nice guy too.
The steroid issue will always be a stigma in competitive sports. Because of that stigma, most competitive bodybuilders (even hall of famers) will not even touch the subject. Alot of it I believe has to do with the way the media sensationalizes it use (and abuse). Unfortunately this will always be a touchy subject no matter where u stand on the issue but I believe talking about it and educating urself and others is the best solution.
Alot of young people will experiment regardless of wut others may say. In some cases, unfortunately, this is where the use/abuse lines becomes skewed. Without that proper supervision/limitation, “more is better” approach unfortunately will always prevail and this is where people will do more damage than good.
On a last note. I have been training religiously for over 3 years now and I can tell u with the utmost sincerity that I’ve done this without resorting to using gear. It does take longer but for me the rewards are much greater and this is something I’ve decided to do for the long haul anyhow (4 life).
peace, cruz out
Yo Raul. I didnt critize a nice beaviour. I should be mandatory for the time on earth. But being TOO nice and all the time, does not go very well with the core of good personall and sivilized community development.
@Norwegian -- Great posts, guys!
Thanks, Norwegian. I think in every country there are different people with different culture, communication and behavior. As for me, then yes, I’m working on this principle, if I do something, then do this until the end, laying out in full, no turning back, I’m not used to the half-hearted moves.
like Jesus?
i didn´t get it: Why so many guys are here, just wanted to know the exactly dosages of any steroids kev or a pro has / or being taken ? did they really believe that it does belong or help to themself ?…
As Kevin sayd before, every Person is different and need an Doctor/Friend which you can trust an which will guide you to the whole treatment of anabolic steroids. I dont get it why it would be eventually useful for anyone to know how the pros are treaten himself…. to being successfull in BB is a sum of many factors !
I fully agree with Kevin´s opinion ” Drugs alone will not turn you into a pro, it depends of all your effort both mental and physical”
When i watch videos or reading about any pro bodybuilders that i like outhere, i try to learn how does he train, why hes doin that exercise or what does he eat -- that makes sense to me.
Training,Resting/ a perfect nutrition & an Bodybuilding setted mind are the first things, that taken all my concentration/concerns because thats what i want to achieve to bring it up to a perfect level -- its a long journey of try n error phases and a the willness to learn constantly !! Without that Dedication -- i would not longer wasting time about thinking to use drugs.
I had the privilege to visit Russia for three weeks. This was about 18 years ago and was shortly after the change in their political structure. I was amazed how friendly & kind the people of Russia were. I had this stereotype that they hated Americans. Far from it. People were opening up their houses to dine with them. Everyone made us feel very welcome. It was a great trip.
Thank you for the info this is some scary(expletive) very sobering,this. Has given me something to think about seriously in my desire to compete
@GC -- I am glad for your journey and discovery, GC. Yes, all of it is, the ratio is good.
Of course, during the Cold War, politics, set up people for evil, and incited them against each other, and themselves conducted their political games, to their advantage, but not for ordinary people.
Honestly, cold war stopped only thanks by John Kennedy, he had saved the situation in those years, an outstanding person. He btw, put forward the idea of a joint study of the space and Moon, the United States and the Soviet Union and rapprochement between the two countries in general, but not distancing between. Such people inspire.
I agree with everything but I must notice something, the part “success is in you not in a bottle or a pill”, that’s correct but we must admit that a lot of help is in the pills and bottles.
For example, I’ve never used steroids in my life, whenever I have money I’d buy supplements. When I dont have money and cannot afford the supplements my body just responds by loosing some strength and some weight so everybody in the gym is constantly asking me about what happened to me. I train for 10 years in the gym and before that i was traing martial arts for a several years and I consider myself as well trained since I’ve been training for a practically whole life but I must admit that it does affect me when people are giving me some negative critics during my rough time when I cant afford supplements. So, I’m saying that it’s a lot easier to maintain physic when you’re having quality nutrition and supplements and steroids which I was suggested to take but so far never did. Pills are not the key but are the great wind in the back, so powerful.
Kevin, you’re great, just keep it up ! See you !
Thank you kevin. Finally
. Good job, i wish you all the best in this world, but it seems like you have already found it 
Best regards Viggo from denmark.
Originally Posted By NorwegianThis is page 1 in every steroid book/article. Kevins offtime beetween shows i guess was the only info, but i think it didnt surprise anybody.
Yep. There are also the other elephants like gh, insulin, and synthol/SEO use, that Kevin really didn’t address.
Success isn’t in a bottle, but at the same time, you will never reach the elite ranks of bodybuilding or strength competition without steroids…
So now that Elephant is smashed … let’s get back to the lifting weights and eating like Barbarians … Thanks Kev
Amazing disclosure, thank you for opening up one more time! But I believe what the fans want to hear is how much did you use? I don’t want to know the answer, but I admire your sincerity. Also I think people don’t hate steroids, I believe they hate the idea of people who deny they use them. Thank you one more time for keeping it real.
Honestly, I couldn’t care less what you took back in the day, or why. But I care a LOT about your training techniques and your training mentality. I value it.
The elephant was indeed smashed. While I am not surprised that people want to know about roids, it is really only part of the equation and the dosages are different for everyone, same with the actual drug used… They react differently on everyone. Nutrition, exercise, rest are also important. However, without the right attitude all of these keys will go down the toilet.
@pangloss --
GH I don’t know much about only used it once for about 6 weeks it made my stomach and waist line larger. Look at the pic of 97 Arnold Classic. Never again i didn’t like the look it gave me. Synthol/SEO don’t know nothing about never took it. Insulin, don’t know nothing about bro stayed away from that stuff also. Pangloss takes the steroids out the game the same guys still would be at the top. It’s called God Gifted Talents With Genetics. Like it or not that’s what’s up.
Peace,
Kevin
Originally Posted By Kevin LevronePangloss takes the steroids out the game the same guys still would be at the top. It’s called God Gifted Talents With Genetics. Like it or not that’s what’s up.
I do agree with this, to an extent. Some guys, though, have a better natural genetic response to steroids. Point being, if you took the steroids away, they might not do as well since they would lose that genetic advantage that comes when they are using the same drugs as everyone else.
Without steroids, natural testosterone levels and natural protein synthesis rates would determine who could build muscle the quickest, but still would not determine who can develop the best physique, which largely depends on natural muscle shape and structure.
Basic thinks Kevin but we understand that you cannot say any more
The bottom line is that if you want to be a champion in any sport , if you want to be professional in any sport you must take steroids . This is a fact , this is how the system works and what the people wants
Everyone wants to see bigger , stronger , faster athletes and new world records . But any professional athlete have a team of doctors and coaches to treat him right in order to succeed
In the other hand if you train for your self only , you never know that the drug you are taking isn’t fake or oil-water , you always must search for a “honest” dealer and for a stable hand to make the injection .
Well this is a risk that i don’t want to take personally , mostly because nothing ,nothing i say again can substitute the hardcore training .Don’t deifies the steroids . The steroids cannot work by they selfs alone , without training and nutrition
And most of the time i do much harder training than most pro bodybuilders . I am not so big like them , but i am clean ,strong , healthy (Thank God for that ) , i have peaceful consciousness and i like it !!!
Little over 10 years ago I did 10 years of abuse, I was one of those who supported the taking of various compounds and not only steriods. I was young and it took me along time to come to the realisation that it is all wrong. IMO bodybuilding is an artform, it is about self belief and creating a vision, and the tools used are desire, disapline and determination. It is this which others compete against and NOTHING will break it or take it.
Bodybuilding should absoloutley NOT be about who can be the most reckless with their body.
I often think of the times that Kevin has said that ‘you are perfect’. The medaling with that perfection is a risky buisness and I KNOW it is not worth it.
IMO Kevin should never disclose method or ingredient and never condone it.
” GH I don’t know much about only used it once for about 6 weeks it made my stomach and waist line larger. Look at the pic of 97 Arnold Classic. Never again i didn’t like the look it gave me. Synthol/SEO don’t know nothing about never took it. Insulin, don’t know nothing about bro stayed away from that stuff also.”
” I used steroids in moderation…………………”
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Kevin. I see you as one of the best souls in this Godforsaken industry,
But PLEASE…..refrain from LIES, like the ones above. The second statement especially.
I was personally elite extreme already at 19-20 years old / which I regret), and even though that was at the very end of the eighties ( BEFORE the REAL dose craze started ), I can state for a FACT, that ALL of the elite bbers i knew ( World Game top3, Worldchampionship top 6, and a few Pro show contenders/even top 6 ), were on AT LEAST 1 gram of anabolics alone ( injectebels/and or orals in the offseason.
I met people/ knew them personally, with EXTREME genetics ( including myself to quite a degree ), and STILL the above goes.
To think that there is a “genetic specimen ” out there that is so unique, ( that the above + the UP ! ramping of dosages, that came after my time in the ninetees, when I STILL, and to this day, knew the guys), that he offsets the above dosage baseline into getting away with “moderate use “, is just misleading the readers.
Kevin. Many I knew are dead/and or sick. Even my mentor who was a top worldclass deadlifter ( died at 42 ). The ninetees and on list of dead/and or sick world famous/world class bbers is all over the internet and a fact that even Shawn Ray adresses as horrible. It has a reason. One is dosages.
Kevin. I believe that you really want to helt. I realise that as a hall of famer ( legal etc), you are backtied. I agree that the anabolic compounds themselves doesnt have to be as many, or exotic, as some may think. I desagree about GH and the rest, they were slowly becoming + became A FACT, after my time. Were few IF ANY, on higher levels got away with not using them.
You have previously stated ” I dont know how I got away with it “. 2 things ;
1) ” That does NOT indicate ” moderate dosages ”
2) Did y get away with it ?. Not seldomly, people who has pushed the envelope the hardest, fluctuate the hardest, when off cycling. I have seen it personally, and its not ! healthy/fun.
All in all. Guys; Kevin will NEVER tell it all as it is. How can he ?. And you all know it. Personally I dont even know if his post here, would have been better undone, since it is a half truth, at best, which to some degree misleads yet another generation. I say another, because he should have spoken up WAY earlier.
Kevin is right in a way, about the bottom line though; genetics plays an UNfairly big part ( unlike what nutheads/drugdealers? like GH15 says ). AND rhere is an (individual )saturation limit, where the anabolics just makes you ill, even short term. AND I ADD; as with alcohol, some has the Godgiven ” favor” of TOLERATING TOXICS, like the next man hasnt. Its a roulette, which to only some extent, is calculable. You might make it. Or not. Or something in between.
In all honesty.
” GH I don’t know much about only used it once for about 6 weeks it made my stomach and waist line larger. Look at the pic of 97 Arnold Classic. Never again i didn’t like the look it gave me. Synthol/SEO don’t know nothing about never took it. Insulin, don’t know nothing about bro stayed away from that stuff also.”
” I used steroids in moderation…………………”
/
Kevin. I see you as one of the best souls in this Godforsaken industry,
But PLEASE…..refrain from LIES, like the ones above. The second statement especially.
I was personally elite extreme already at 19-20 years old / which I regret), and even though that was at the very end of the eighties ( BEFORE the REAL dose craze started ), I can state for a FACT, that ALL of the elite bbers i knew ( World Game top3, Worldchampionship top 6, and a few Pro show contenders/even top 6 ), were on AT LEAST 1 gram of anabolics alone ( injectebels/and or orals in the offseason.
I met people/ knew them personally, with EXTREME genetics ( including myself to quite a degree ), and STILL the above goes.
To think that there is a “genetic specimen ” out there that is so unique, ( that the above + the UP ! ramping of dosages, that came after my time in the ninetees, when I STILL, and to this day, knew the guys), that he offsets the above dosage baseline into getting away with “moderate use “, is just misleading the readers.
Kevin. Many I knew are dead/and or sick. Even my mentor who was a top worldclass deadlifter ( died at 42 ). The ninetees and on list of dead/and or sick world famous/world class bbers is all over the internet and a fact that eveb Shawn Ray adresses as horrible. It has a reason. One is dosages.
Kevin. I believe that you really want to helt. I realise that as a hall of famer, you are backtied. I agree that the anabolic compounds themselves doesnt have to be as many, or exotic, as some may think. I desagree about GH and the rest, they were slowly becoming + became A FACT, after my time. Were few IF ANY, on higher levels got away with not using them.
You have previously stated ” I dont know how I got away with it “. 2 things ;
1) ” That does NOT indicate ” moderate dosages ”
2) Did y get away with it ?. Not seldomly, people who has pushed the envelope the hardest, fluctuate the hardest, when off cycling. I have seen it personally, and its not ! healthy/fun.
All in all. Guys; Kevin will NEVER tell it all as it is. How can he ?. And you all know it. Personally I dont even know if his post here, would have been better undone, since it is a half truth, at best, which to some degree misleads yet another generation. I say another, because he should have spoken up WAY earlier.
Kevin is right in a way, about the bottom line though; genetics plays an UNfairly big part ( unlike what nutheads/drugdealers? like GH15 says ). AND rhere is an (individual )saturation limit, where the anabolics just makes you ill, even short term. AND I ADD; as with alcohol, some has the Godgiven ” favor” of TOLERATING TOXICS, like the next man hasnt. Its a roulette, which to only some extent, is calculable. You might make it. Or not. Or something in between.
@CRANTCHY -- I couldn’t agree more crantch. Could be why I’ve been going the natural route.
Diuretic abuse is perhaps even more dangerous than the steroids that bodybuilders use. These drugs are used to dry out before a show (and often used for magazine shoots too, etc), and end up robbing the body of electrolytes as well as fluids…causing dangerously low levels of potassium, etc., which can quickly lead to serious internal organ damage if it gets out of control.
Andreas Munzer is probably the saddest case of diuretic abuse gone too far:
http://www.ergogenics.org/arn6.html
Well i find it ironic. David and Goliath it’s an impressive story one that could be understood better at the end of my post.
In defence i suppose most of these chemicals are illegal so people naturally would rather withhold information regarding their use.
But lets be serious here chemicals turn a boy in to a man.
Have you never wondered how you grew so fast when you were younger? Adding pounds of muscle and bone in a couple months? Did you take protein shakes and creatine when you were 10 years old?
How come an elephant gets so large from eating a rabbits food.
Well in-case you didn’t click yet it’s all about the chemicals and our body is the chemist.
It’s funny because our body follows something our world should aspire to, that is efficiency.
You see if we don’t require large muscles then why should our body waste energy to build them and the same blueprint is applied throughout our body.
Change occurs when we convince our body a change is required to benefit our wellbeing.
The problem being significant change requires significant time, that is evolution. Slowly adapting the most efficient way the catalyst of experiences has provided.
Even temporary change within the body takes many similar messages before the body takes note and a response is dispatched.
That is the way of nature. It is the reason repetition is the backbone of growth. Although that is not entirely true.
An important lesson can be learnt instantly but something deemed insignificant must be repeated over and over until finally it registers somewhere on the scale of significance, be it a memory or muscle, a reaction occurs.
We as human beings however learned a faster way and although at some stage the turtle of traditional evolution may prove to be the winner of the race. Our brain evolved in a way that we can develop significant ‘shortcuts’. Why grow claws when we have the knowledge to develop a gun.
This new perspective led full circle in which the shortcuts can also be applied to traditional evolution. Uncovering the genetic makeup of life could inevitably lead to speeding up the process of evolution and maybe even changing its direction.
Given this perspective it is then clear there are two ways of building muscles…
The way nature intended and, the way of the shortcut.
I suppose the story of David and Goliath is much less impressive when you find out his slingshot was just a secret name for his compact rocket launcher.
In our world it matters not who puts the most effort towards victory only he who stands victorious. Rules protect the weak, secrets protect the strong.
@KingSalomo2 --
Bro by the way I decided to let your comment threw but believe it or not I’ve been talking about the steroid topic my whole carer but it gets old after awhile. Sorry to here about your friend passing away.
Roids don’t kill it’s the people that’s pushing the needles popping pills behind the doctors backs. FYI If you would have read Muscular Development How I See It my article I write every month you would have known that I answered this question back then 6 months ago.
So yea I spoke up along time ago but you missed it because you weren’t paying attention like most. I’m not a lier about what I took or didn’t take just ask. No need to prove my medical history to you or anyone else here. Bottom line im doing my part to clean things up.
Sounds like you know more then most about this topic and what people are taken, Mr. Dr. Life. Whats your part and helping ? can you set the record stright and clean boby building up. While your at it take all the other drugs off the streets. It’s not the pro athlete that’s the problem, it’s the fake pros/want to be pros that give us real pros a bad wrap.
Stop trying to labele us. Do your thing and keep your door closed. I don’t care what position is your favorite just do it right and make it last baby.
Peace,
Kevin
Kevin, I think you mentioned a while back in an interview on RX Muscle that you used coffee and vodka (both natural diuretics) to help dry out before a show…is this true, and did it work well? Safer alternative to other diuretics?
My order for the Levrone Formula has been back-ordered for three weeks with bodybuilding(dot)com. Is there a better site to order from? Also, when will your two new formulas be available in the USA?
@KingSalomo2 --
bro I do think Kevin is misleading anyone. He is telling like it is. I dont how you can sit there and play arm chair roid expert without knowing any facts about this mans life. You can cycle off during the offseason that is well known. Maybe not back in the 80′s but with todays HRT you can cycle off and on. SO leave it be.
You will never clean up bodybuilding so forget about it. I am guessing in the 80′s the stuff out their was not pure and probably in fact full of crap unlike todays. I bet no one but the elites were getting there blood checked during their cycle and getting pure form injectables. I get my blood checked every 3 months, full lipid panel with T ratios as I mentioned I am on HRT. People die doing this stuff because they are uneducated. They dont know that orals will eat your liver or that increased T raises your cholesterol level to a ticking time bomb level. I had a 278 combine level at one time. I could have had a heart attack at age 38 if this wasnt caught. I dont care if people do this stuff or not but please be under a Dr. care if you do….
peace out…
PNIX
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apparently this was Andreas Munzers cycle,been posted on a few sites…if its anywhere near true its scary stuff,any close to the truth Kevin?
Here is his gear stack…
Aspirine, Valium, Clenbuterol
8-6 weeks before the Competition daily: 2 injects Testoviron a 250 mg
1 inject Parabolan
30 tabletts Halotestin
30 tabletts Metandienon
20 IE* STH
20 IE* Insuline
5-3 weeks before the Competition daily: 3 injects Masteron
2 injects Parabolan
30 tabletts Halotestin
50 tabletts Stromba
2 injects Stromba
24 IE* STH
2-1 weeks before the Competition daily: 2 injects Masteron
2 injects Stromba
40 tabletts Halotestin
80 tabletts Stromba
24 IE* STH
Insuline
IGF
A few days before the Competition: Aldactone, Lasix
And please read this interview with a BB Pro about drug abuse,again very scary stuff -- http://www.trulyhuge.com/pro_bodybuilding.htm
Originally Posted By UKPAULapparently And please read this interview with a BB Pro about drug abuse,again very scary stuff -- http://www.trulyhuge.com/pro_bodybuilding.htm
Thats some heavy shit. What his saying is there is no vitamins, protein powder or even training. You may follow the split in the magazines, fill it up with the most and best proteinpowders and you will be just as far from your dreams as before you started. Eventually i agree on this. Just look at 99,99% of ther guys training at your gym.NOTHING. But, if you invest your vitamins and powder money in drugs, you will gain muscles and lose fat.
And genetics is all about muscle reseptoir factor. Who are able to benefit most from the drugs.
This gives hope for anybody.
Its really the opposit from the underground steroid book.
Kevin showed the way a couple of years ago?. Yes, he look damn good. And just after 8 weeks. But, compared to his highligth googlepics, he was almost just as far away as before he started.
hello kevin its nice that you mentioned the 97 arnold when you beat flex! i saw the vid on youtube recently and i was amazed how unbelivable good you looked there.. you where so hard you had almost. o tissue in your face you must have had dieted really really hard. i liked your superhuman look very much.
guys do not bother asking about dosages.
every person responds differently to the same dosage.
one could have X results and other Y results with the same dose. It depends on person.
Source: tnation.com
@ Kevin :
“I used steroids in moderation, and one of the main reasons I lost up to 30 lbs in the off season is because I had no interest in putting any more of that swill into my body than necessary to win shows. I would take truckloads of liver pills, drink oceans of water and pray for my life.”
………… would you do it again Kevin ?
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No one wants to be called drug monster or to be told all achievements came from the drug abuse.
Story of my life
I was a bit sad the day I grew up and understood bodybuilders like Kevin wasn’t natural. My world was turned upside down. Here we had all these “heroes” and they were taking shit from the bad guys.. How could that be.
This could have been prevented if it wasn’t for Muscletech and others who made me believe that In 3 months you look like this
You just need extreme hard work and good supplements.
Today my perspective has changed a bit and I understand why and what it took to go all the way. I admire the drive of these pro’s and what they have put them self through.
Somehow that old fire I had as a kid for bodybuilding is back but in another way.
You ppl should concentrate a little bit less on the drugs and more on the mind set Kevin speaks about.
For you guys who are so in to know the exact dosages think SHIT LOADS and let your dreams about pro bodybuilding fly away.
You will at the closest be in the audience at Mr.O…
Always think twice about drugs. Is it worth it placing top 3 in your local amateur competion walking home with 5lbs of Protein powder.
First and foremost I along with most of TLR have the upmost respect for Mr. Kevin Levrone for all he has accomplished. Like most though I probably find it strange how we are feed the exact diet, workouts and supplements but never the exact ‘supplements’, I find the good ol’ “ it is what it is” appropriate here, I guess
The comparisons to the rock star is spot on, kind of like my comparison to Kevin’s use now of a Testosterone treatment to that of a rock stars use of methadone. I made that comparison back over the summer and was quickly shot down by T. Swinney. Does it compare?!
Recently I attended the NPC show in my neighborhood of Woodbridge, Va. and was fortunate enough to be entertained by the “MC’ing” of Mr. Shawn Ray. Other than that the show was lame. The other lone bright spot was a new event or new to me anyway, with the men in swimsuits. Those contestants appeared to be less doped; hopefully this is the way the industry is leading.
Man thanks Kevin. Its hard to put it out there, I compete and sometimes ask myself why.. It can be a great feeling to win and keep improving.
I’ve seen someone take 2500mg test and 3000mg EQ and 200mg Tren week, plus 150mg anadrol a day, 5iu hgh, plenty of insulin. Eating like a lion and train like a caged animal.
His Bench went from 225 to 275 and couldn’t progress any further.
There is nothing else he could have done, he simply has poor genetics for strength and size.
He looked nothing like an ifbb pro. Most of us never will, thats the genetic bell curve.
He’s gone natural now, bench eventually went back down to 225, he still looks good.
What happened from taking all that gear was he increased his blood pressure, destroyed his cholesterol profile, put a strain on his liver and kidney’s, lost hair from the head, inceased hair on the body, got gyno and got acne.
Since coming off still has the hair loss, body hair has deceased back to prior level, gyno still present but pretty much unnoticeable now, cholesterol profile back to normal however permanent damage was surely done to the arteries. Acne gone, liver back to normal, blood pressure back to normal.
Steroid are over rated! Temporary gains with permanent damages. Just train natural, be healthy, be happy. If you have great genetics you will know it before you touch any roid because you will already be stronger, bigger and leaner then most juiceheads at the gym. I’ve heard some talk of steroid super responders. I haven’t actually seen any myself who weren’t already big and strong without them. I guess if you really must know you could try a light cycle, primo+anavar and see if you blow up, but I very much doubt it.
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